Testing G-d?

So for sure testing G-d by any Jew is forbidden. You cant say "If G-d does this and that, I will do this and that" - like you cant wager with him.

Now, a non-Jew brought up a scenario where he did such...do the Noachide laws prohibit this? I dont think so! So what is the problem with it?

In fact, why can you (as a Jew) not test G-d. You cant live your life by looking at "effects" or "causes"...you do not live (as a Jew) by a mazal...and no1 can tell you your future (if you do this, you actually get a curse to be part of the system, which you originally werent - primarily becuz you decide to become part of the system by asking). My point here is simply that a Jew cant ask becuz they dont live in this realm.

a non-Jew does, so perhaps he can ask for a more clear Mazal. HE ALREADY has one in the stars, so simply ask for a more direct one! Perhaps it is more righteous that he is actually recognizing G-d for the mazal, and not the mazal itself (like many fortune tellers). Of course, many ppl who ask for signs have bad intent, but let us assume it is good.



Now, here is a question though! Why is it that Rashi states on Eliezer testing G-d (when finding Yitzchak's wife) that he was allowed since Hashem provided him a miracle (and therefore G-d was by his side already so another sign is a fair request). Does a servant of a Hebrew have this requirement to not rely on a mazal!? When a servant of a hebrew (or someone living with him?) is attached to a hebrew do they get this blessing of changing their fate?!? Tzedakah Tazil MeMavet = "Charity saves from death"...can a servant of a hebrew save his life (where he usually couldnt even if he gave charity?)!

This is an amazing idea I think.... Massively AMAZING to me.

What application is there then? Many Rabbis look over history and see that wherever Jews are, the country flourishes! So the application is simple! Since they are living with us, the mazalus and proscribed future may not come true, they can change it. They can exalt themselves and gain rewards for which the mazal (from G-d) wouldnt have handed them.

I think this is a fascinating idea, thoughts?

Side Point: G-d actually tells Jews we can test him in ONE area :). If you give Masseir and a Chomesh and Tzedkaha, you may give it solely as a test to G-d to see if you get "wealthy".